Conference: GR1discussion From: helen
Subject: trip suggestions
Gerda, I agree, it was very strange talking in a threesome.
It's a shame that Zoli appears to have problems with the 
technology or we could have a four-way conversation.  Well, 
we should be a good group.  My students are mostly 
refugees, who are not really allowed to travel, so the virtual 
kind is the best for them.  Some are quite young, others 
grandparents.  They are from all over the world and have 
a variety of interests.  I agree we should like to visit 
the opera house, but some would also like to travel in the 
outback a little.  We would like to see some rainforest 
and wild life.  What do you think? 

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Conference: café From: helen
Subject: Refugees
Hi Annegrethe  I just found our message from April 18th.  I don't know 
why I didn't see it before!  I'm interested in the work 
you do in the refugee camp.  Have your Kosovans arrived 
yet?  I'm terribly ashamed of my country, because we are 
taking so few.  There is a terrible backlash against refugees 
in this country at the moment.  There is this myth that 
they are not really in trouble, they just come to live off 
our 'wonderful' (!) welfare system.  Of course, with the 
pictures on the tv at the moment, people can't really believe 
that any more.  But they seem to find it difficult tomake 
the connection between the pictures on the tv and actual 
refugees in the country.  We call it nimbyism.  Nimby stands 
for "not in my back yard".  It's alright to do things - 
like accept refugees, build a new motorway, set up a hostel 
for reformed drug users, but not in my back yard.  What is public 
opinion like in  Norway regarding refugees?  Sorry to be so long in replying.  Helen 

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Conference: GR1discussion From: gerda
Subject: rain forest and trains etc.
Hi Yannis, Helen, I think we could stay 2 or 3 days in Sydney - opera, social 
life opera again -, take the Pacific Express to Adelaide 
- step out a little - take the Chan to Alice. During this 
trainride which will last about 2 days we can really get 
to know each other. My lively ladies are very good listeners 
too. We will be very interested to learn about the life 
of a young blind person and 

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Conference: GR1discussion From: gerda
Subject: rain ... continued
Hi again Helen, Yannis, My keyboard suddenly stopped working, I don’t know what 
happened. Where did it stop? I was talking about the idea 
of this long train ride. If people only listened and tried 
to understand, there would be peace. I am so sad about this 
war going on in Europe. This time people in Denmark feel 
much more involved because NATO is taking part as an aggressor. 
I am so sorry about NATO dropping bombs on civilians - even 
refugees in Kosovo – and I really feel bad about bombs being 
dropped in Bulgaria and understand that you are afraid in 
Greece, Yannis. I feel bad about bombs being dropped at 
all, look at the pollution that is a result of it – so much 
has been destroyed, what a waste! – What sort of creatures 
are we, people, I know we are both good and bad, but do 
we have to be that bad?  My lively ladies will want to know about the stories behind 
your refugees, Helen, and they want to sing and learn new 
songs.  Back to our trip. Have we changed trains in Adelaide ‘cause 
that’s where we board The Chan for Alice. I am not quite 
sure how long it takes 2 days maybe. “Walkabout”, Aboriginal 
Culture, caves – Uluru etc. 3 or 4 days. I am afraid that 
we have to fly to Cairns, that will take no time and leave 
us about 3 days for rain forest, diving and sailing. In 
the end there is about 2 days for luxury in Brisbane if 
we fly again, I think.  BTW. I have link to the architect, Jorn Utzon, and The Opera 
House with animation and music (but alas MIDI music) in 
my folder. Gerda   

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Conference: GR1discussion From: gerda
Subject: Places to visit
Dear Helen, Yannis and Zoltan, Don't you think we should visit the very famous Opera House 
in Sydney and also arrange for a concert there? I should 
love to myself. - And Uluru is a must as well. I'm very 
interested in the Aboriginal way and always try to make 
my students read about their history and culture. We have 
to go diving, too. - Oh, there are so many things to do. Gerda 

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Conference: GR1discussion From: gerda
Subject: Choices
Hi Yannis, What a lot of choices. I'll be back in the evening when 
I have had a chance to look into some of them. - As I said 
earlier, we are a group of lively women in our mid fifties 
and ready for concerts in Sydney, a long trainride where 
we can experience long distances - Denmark is such a small 
country, you know, - we are very interested in Aboriginal 
culture and want to try for sort of a walkabout in the Northern 
Territory. I'll be back, Gerda 

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Conference: GR1discussion From: gerda
Subject: Re: trip suggestions
Hi, Don't we have to go to Tasmania to see rainforest, Helen? 
My group wants to travel in the outback, as well. Today 
I'm going to pull myself together and write a document. 
We're supposed to, aren't we? I'll try to put some of my 
pictures into it. I haven't tried the link-business, I might 
refer to your document instead, Yannis, is that ok? Gerda  

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Conference: GR1discussion From: helen
Subject: What next?
Hello Gerda and Yannis  I'm happy to work on any part, though as I suggested the 
rainforest, I suggest I work on the northern territory bit. 
 However, if either of you are desperate to do that, then 
just let me know.    I'm away for a couple of nights again, and have to get my 
documents ready and pack tonight, so I could do the work 
on Friday evening and Saturday.  I'll read your answers 
when I come back.  (I'm going to do some training for staff 
working with dyslexic students on the Island of Jersey, 
which is in the channel between England and France, and 
much nearer to France than England.)    I agree with both of you about the war 
and the refugees. 
 At least Britain has finally agreed to take in some of 
the Kosovans, though it will be the tip of the iceberg. 
 It's tragic that there is war again in Europe, though of 
course war anywhere is tragic.  It seems so weird that, 
on the one hand we are transcending national barriers through 
the web and exercises like this, and on the other hand we 
are fighting each other.  On that serious note, goodnight and speak to you later in 
the week.  Helen 

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Conference: GR1discussion From: yannis
Subject: Final stage?
Hello Gerda and Helen,  I think we have done well so far considering our adverse 
circumstances and the experimental nature of the project. 
Thanks for your valuable contributions withour which our 
initial document could not have been constructed.  My suggestion concerning our 
final itinerary is to try and 
construct a collective final document with some chronological 
and travelling details as suggested in the Motion message 
to GR1 conference. We can divide the itinerary into three 
parts, i.e. Sydney visit, Uluru and N.Territory visit, and 
the train ride to Brisbane with their relevant activities. As a start, we can 
choose which part we want to work on 
and inform each other. Next, we could post a document with just the headings and 
edit it appropriately online until we arrive at a presentable 
itinerary.  We can do that on the HTML editor or, if we find it difficult, 
i can help if you send me your work attached to a message 
as .rtf which i can then turn into HTML and post it into 
our document. In such a case, don't forget to send me any 
links to pictures that you would like to show in the document. What do you say?  
Cheers, Yannis 

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